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I have a pretty solid computer already setting on my desk but the chipset and cpu are starting to be somewhat behind the times. I'm good at putting computers together - I'm less good at picking sensible computer parts. On my phone at the moment but I believe I'm currently running an i5 4670K with a Hyper 212 evo cooler. If I upgrade the main board and processor I'd also upgrade to something like a Corsair H100i V2 (not included in the list below).
 
Please someone who knows a thing or two about component pairing please weigh in on my preliminary choices :) thank you :D

oh yeah, I know 16GB of RAM is low but I struggle to use more than 10GB of my existing 16GB DDR3.

and yes I already have a collection of drives but i want to start fresh with a couple new ones. maybe 0.5TB + 1.5TB instead of 2x2, or maybe booting from M.2 should be my approach (someone help me :P)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7740X 4.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX X299-E GAMING ATX LGA2066 Motherboard ($290.50 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($119.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($127.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($127.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB DUKE Video Card (2-Way SLI) (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB DUKE Video Card (2-Way SLI) (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
External Storage: Seagate - Expansion 5 TB External Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1016.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-28 00:15 EST-0500



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It's usually best practice to pick very popular motherboards, as they receive the longest time supported and the most amount of updates to BIOS. You'd also be better off using the money that can be saved on a more popular X299 motherboard and going to an 8700k. There isn't a very noticeable difference using a SATA SSD over an NVME like there is going from HDD to SSD. 16gb is just fine.


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I second the i7 8700. Did some research just earlier today and the i9 is not much of an upgrade from the 8700.
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It's usually best practice to pick very popular motherboards, as they receive the longest time supported and the most amount of updates to BIOS. You'd also be better off using the money that can be saved on a more popular X299 motherboard and going to an 8700k. 

Are you saying the STRIX GAMING isn't popular? just wondering. do you have a board you would recommend over the one i listed?

 

The strix gaming is listed as the best selling board on Newegg (at least at the time of this post) which is why I started off with that as my new main board in my build list as it had all the features I really cared about and price was decent. It also had the 3rd most reviews (granted, only 21, but the #1 most reviewed board only had 59 which isn't a ton either)

 

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I am very pleased with the i7-8700k, it is a good over-clocking chip (if you are into that).  I actually bought an i5-8600k but after using it for a few weeks and seeing a good deal on the I7 I jumped (on a side note I am selling the i5).  Personally I use a smaller SSD for my OS drive and install games on another drive with a third for archive (music,docs, pics, low priority stuff).  This allows for your fastest drive to host game files (arma likes a fast HDD) and the OS can be reloaded with ease without risk of losing much, steam will ingest your install folders without having to re-download.  I have been putting my OS on an M2 since I have them but yes it is not overly noticeable.  Keep in mind that M2 and SATA drives differ drastically by manufacturer.  I bought a WD black nve M2 drive only to find out later that it really was slow compared to other brands.  

 

I assume you have looked at https://www.tomshard...oards,3984.html  I have the Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 5 and it is great so far as well as cheaper.


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Yea the I5 8600k or the I7 8700k are a good call good money for performance then add in 32GB of DDR4 3200 or higher and your good to go. For boot drive I'm running a M.2 250GB obvs it'll have the OS and then some key programs or games for lighting fast load up times then the bulk of my games and programs are on a SSD 500GB then a 2TB mech HDD for anything over that like smaller files and pictures music and other stuff and it all runs really fast with a SATA or two left for extras if you need them down the road. And then for graphics card a single GTX 1070/Ti is a still a good card that's fairly recent and if you've got a bit more money the new RTX 2070 the SLI is getting ever so better but for the small performance increase,also the new 2070 don't have SLI anymore as they are phasing that out just to have better powered single cards for the middle tier and then only having just 2 card SLI for the upper like the 2080's have. Then to power the beast a 650+ maybe a 750 watt PSU to have enough head room will be more than enough to run all of that and over clock if that's what you wanted to do.


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No need for 32GB of RAM TBH, but I would get higher rated speeds of 3000 or more.

 

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($369.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ Newegg Business)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($127.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($127.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB DUKE Video Card (2-Way SLI)  (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB DUKE Video Card (2-Way SLI)  (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00)
External Storage: Seagate - Expansion 5 TB External Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $955.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Are you saying the STRIX GAMING isn't popular?

 I actually didn't check if it was popular, just saw the price tag and knew that more expensive motherboards typically aren't popular. If the STRIX is popular, then it is the perfect choice.

 

EDIT: You will have to change it if you plan to go with Coffee lake though. Z370 is the chipset that Coffee lake is on.


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Ok yeah here is the part where people need to explain to me why the 8700K is better than the 7740X, which is clearly the case for this pair...
 
https://www.cpubench...740X/3098vs3041
 
Nonetheless, here is my revised build, and I think it's a much better solution, for almost the same price, that will get me better performance.

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Total: $1,081.42

 

Video Card: TWO MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB DUKE Video Card IN SLI (already purchased)

Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (already purchased)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (already purchased)
External Storage: Seagate - Expansion 5 TB External Hard Drive (already purchased)



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Ok yeah here is the part where people need to explain to me why the 8700K is better than the 7740X
 

 

Primarily due to the fact that you get 6 physical cores, 12 threads and slightly higher IPC compared to kaby lake. In SLI, you'll be throwing alot more data at the CPU to process, so those two extra cores and the higher IPC will help out. On top of that, multi-tasking is generally improved and as games begin to use more cores, the 8700k will be well suited for newer games. (when they start using more than 4, that is)


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So here is my 2 cents. The m.2 drive is no faster than the 2.5 inch both are SATA  so no performance gain, so don't focus on that unless your going to go with an NVME drive. I don't recommend the NVME drive either because while it maybe faster there is not enough noticeable difference to justify the price. Dump the external drive unless it's just used for file storage because its a huge bottleneck. And last from personal experience run away from Seagate drives, every drive I've ever had to recover data from has been a seagate (95%). Also while everyone likes new hardware just like cell phones, whatever your planning on doing with it does the performance gain justify the cost?


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So here is my 2 cents. The m.2 drive is no faster than the 2.5 inch both are SATA  so no performance gain, so don't focus on that unless your going to go with an NVME drive you're right I should really go NVME. I don't recommend the NVME drive either because while it maybe faster there is not enough noticeable difference to justify the price fair point. Dump the external drive unless it's just used for file storage I actually the vast majority of my low priority files in the external as a NAS simply USB3'd onto my router (nice to be able to access all my files on either my computer, laptop, or mobile devices all the time) because its a huge bottleneck. And last from personal experience run away from Seagate drives oh interesting I've never had any issues with Seagates though my experience with them is limited to HDDs, every drive I've ever had to recover data from has been a seagate (95%). Also while everyone likes new hardware just like cell phones, whatever your planning on doing with it does the performance gain justify the cost? No the measurable performance gain does not justify the cost - that's why, to date, I'm still running largely mid-2013 hardware with my i5-4670K and Z87 chipset. I just enjoy building computers too much to put it off any longer


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